tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9030257666913290314.post2085221230129082841..comments2024-03-11T07:53:25.838-04:00Comments on Spirituality, Dreams and Prophecy: The True Spiritual Meaning and Interpretation of the Lord's PrayerDoug Webberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11071107950046910342noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9030257666913290314.post-3372643155464179912016-05-06T14:02:39.322-04:002016-05-06T14:02:39.322-04:00Your welcome Lori. Another one to think about: th...Your welcome Lori. Another one to think about: the revelation of the spiritual sense in the Word, is the Second Coming. The first coming was the revelation of the Word in human form.Doug Webberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071107950046910342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9030257666913290314.post-43812089620096215472016-05-06T13:30:33.669-04:002016-05-06T13:30:33.669-04:00Alright, that does shed some light on it. That Div...Alright, that does shed some light on it. That Divine Truth in scripture is The Word. It is very interesting and I appreciate and thank you for your replies.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07805716510453998353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9030257666913290314.post-88364544033455351682016-05-06T13:18:54.958-04:002016-05-06T13:18:54.958-04:00Hello Lori, yes there are some sects that reject t...Hello Lori, yes there are some sects that reject the definition of three persons, but then make the mistake of making Jesus into an avatar or angel. The two main heresies that come to mind are Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism.<br /><br />So you ask an interesting question. This is again explained in the revelations of Swedenborg. There are two aspects of God, Divine Love and Divine Truth. In respect to Divine Love, He is known as the Father, and in respect to Divine truth, He is known as the Son. He descended and became incarnate as to His Divine Truth, as the Divine Truth emanates from Divine Love into the lower natural world. Divine Truth is known in scripture as "the Word."<br /><br />This explains several things in the gospels. One, Jesus always talks about doing the will of the Father. He says "will of the Father" as the Father refers to Divine love itself. Never does it mention "will of the Son" or "will of the Spirit." This also explains the following passage:<br /><br />"For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son" (John 5:22)<br /><br />The reason why all judgment is entrusted is to the Son is that all are judged according to Divine Truth.<br /><br />In the Old Testament, the Lord as to love is called Jehovah, but as to truth He is called God or Elohim. Love and truth are always in a union, thus the OT has the common title "LORD God" or Jehovah Elohim in Hebrew.<br /><br />So, the main argument Trinitarians will use is they will point out that Jesus prayed to the Father. What they do not understand is that when the Divine descended in human form, the Divine had become incarnate into a lower state of being, with the appearance of being finite. The human form had to grow and develop, until Jesus could make His human form one with the Divine. As to the soul He is Jehovah Himself, but as to the human form He could be tempted, and this involves an appearance of being someone other than the Divine. The Divine and the human was merged upon the resurrection, until Jesus arose in the form of a Divine Human, where He was completely united with the Divine.<br /><br />So interesting questions, I might add a blog post on this.Doug Webberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071107950046910342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9030257666913290314.post-91150144042968863022016-05-06T13:01:11.551-04:002016-05-06T13:01:11.551-04:00Yes, I understand, and there were times I was so c...Yes, I understand, and there were times I was so confused about the three persons. There are some religions that don't believe in the trinity, but they take away from Jesus, meaning they just think less of him. I always had a gut feeling that the three parts had something to do with us being a three part human.<br /><br />This is good. <br /><br />Another thing I get confused about is Jesus being the word of God. Can you elaborate a little on that?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07805716510453998353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9030257666913290314.post-85935423049141914182016-05-06T11:01:54.479-04:002016-05-06T11:01:54.479-04:00Yes that is correct, as long as you understand tha...Yes that is correct, as long as you understand that the Father is within Jesus, and not a separate person (John 14:8-10). In the New Church, one's "name" is everything by which one is known, and the Father completely revealed himself in human form, Jesus. Also, the Father is the Divine itself, unvisible an unknown, whereas Jesus is the Divine Human, who is visible and known to us:<br /><br />"Who is the image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15)<br /><br />"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him" (John 1:18)<br /><br />Most churches do teach to pray to the Father to send the Holy Spirit for the sake of the Son, but this comes from a definition of the trinity as three persons. In the New Church, the trinity is known as the Divine itself, the Divine Human, and the Divine proceeding. That this is correct, is shown that whereas Jesus commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19), in the book of Acts, the disciples always baptized in the name of Jesus. They are equivalent, the Trinity is nothing more than different titles for the different aspects of the Divine within Jesus:<br /><br />Father = Lord<br />Son = Jesus<br />Holy Spirit = Christ (meaning "anointed", we are anointed with the Holy Spirit, thus called Christian)<br /><br />So if one is baptized in the name of Lord Jesus Christ, it is the same as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But it is in one person: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." (Col. 2:9)<br /><br />So, it is a mind shift. I did not understand it until I read the book "True Christian Religion" which goes into detail. I basically started to read it to see if I could find a fault with Swedenborg, then realized he was revealed the mystery of the Trinity. So it really changed the way I understood the Lord's Prayer. It reminded me of the passage "they shall look upon Him whom they have pierced" (Rev. 1:7, John 19:37), because until then I felt I had been bypassing Jesus in prayer.<br /><br />The way I look at it, is there is one God, Jehovah, who has revealed Himself in human form - Jesus in none other than Jehovah in human form.<br /><br />Doug Webberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11071107950046910342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9030257666913290314.post-2932035680127092682016-05-06T08:04:50.418-04:002016-05-06T08:04:50.418-04:00Hello, so, you cover a lot of stuff here and I'...Hello, so, you cover a lot of stuff here and I'm trying to take it all in. I was always taught to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. I think the reference to that is John 16:23<br />Is that incorrect?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07805716510453998353noreply@blogger.com